Question Time

Q & A
What shall we call it?

We are about to launch an important question section to this website. The Q&A section – which will work a bit like Quora or Stackoverflow – will give you the opportunity to ask questions for Paul, or someone else, to answer.

For example, if you are the parent of a public school student, and he comes home from High School with a difficult to answer piece of evolutionary propaganda, then this is the place to ask the question!

What should we call this section? Q&A is far too boring a title. Send answers through our Contact US section, or just add a comment to this post.

Black Friday Fun Day

Black Friday
Black Friday at the MSH Creation Center

Black Friday will be a fun-filled day at the Mount St Helens Creation Information Center. There will be lots of great activities for all ages, as well as presentations from International Creation Speaker Paul Taylor. The day will also be an opportunity to get some bargain Creation resources, as we need to rationalize some of our stock. And, if that were not enough, we will do it all again the day after on the Saturday!!

Mark these days in your calendar and make the weekend after Thanksgiving a blessed one to remember.

Black Friday Notice

(The morning program will be repeated in the afternoon, so the whole program will run 4 times)
(Also look on our website for super special offers on Cyber Monday December 1st 2014)

The Mount St Helens Creation Information Center will be closed on Thanksgiving Day, Thursday November 27th 2014 and Sunday November 30th 2014.

Cross Encounters Radio

Paul Taylor

Chris Hohnholz (standing in for Tony Miano) will be interviewing me for Cross Encounters Radio on Saturday October 18th 2014 at 4pm (Pacific Time). That's 5pm (Mountain), 6pm (Central) and 7pm (Eastern) – or midnight (UK time)

If you can't make the show at that time, it will be recorded, and podcasted (details at the link above), but, obviously, you won't get the live interaction.

Cross Encounters Radio

Cross Encounters Radio is a live internet radio program. I love live shows – with the ability to respond instantly to callers' questions. I also believe that the internet is the future of audio programming, that we still like to call “radio”.

Cross Encounters uses the services of Blog Talk Radio, which is one of the least expensive methods of running live shows. I mention this, because I would very much like to be running a show myself, here from the Mount St Helens Creation Information Center, as a weekly one-hour show. However, it is not free – it costs at least $39 per month for the really basic tools (there is a free service, but it is very restricted). If there is any church or organization that would like to commit to sponsoring all or part of this $39 a month, for a minimum of a 12-month period, I would love to hear from you. My thought is to get 3 sponsors – a main sponsor at $19 a month, and 2 others at $10 a month. Please use the Contact Page if you would like to consider this. Additionally, someone might feel able to help as call-screener.  Again, if you can do this, let me know (we can work out the show time between us).

 

Webinar with Andy McIntosh

Andy McIntosh
Andy McIntosh is one of the world's leading scientists.

What a good idea this is! My good friend Andy McIntosh is giving a webinar on Science, Mathematics and Beauty on Monday October 13th 2014. You need to register for this important event.

Andy is one of the UK's top scientists. He is Professor of Thermodynamics at the University of Leeds. He is also a Christian and a biblical creationist. He speaks frequently all over the world.

The 90 minute webinar will begin at:

6pm (UK time) – which is:

12 pm (Eastern), 11 am (Central), 10 am (Mountain) and 9 am (Pacific)

Get registering today for this important and exciting event.

The UK Government to Restrict Teaching on Origins

Classroom
Classroom
The UK government is equating creation with extremism.

For nearly 20 years, I taught science in comprehensive schools in England and Wales. (These sort of schools would be referred to as “public high schools” in the USA). During this time, I rarely had a clash between faith and teaching my subject.

I left teaching in 1999. Since then, successive UK governments have whittled away at the Christian basis of British education, especially in England, to the extent that there is a serious and unwarranted clash between worldviews. This has been illustrated by the recent consultation by the British government of early years education. The results of this consultation, and the actions proposed, have been criticized by the organization Christian Concern, which campaigns on ad highlights legal issues of concern in the UK.

The government issued a set of consultation questions, and invited answers. None of these questions concerned creation. Yet of the 678 replies received by the government, 450 expressed “opposition to early education funding going to providers who they believe promote extremist views or teach creationism as scientific fact”. It is worth repeating, the government did not ask about creationism in their questionnaire. Moreover, of these 450 comments, 281 had not even bothered to answer ANY of the government's questions, but had merely submitted the same cut-and-paste comment. Even the BBC, not normally a friend of evangelical Christianity, noted that these responses were the result of a deliberate and orchestrated campaign by the British Humanist Association.

Surely, if this were any other subject, the government would have ignored the responses created by a coordinated letter-writing campaign. But in this case, they appear to have endorsed these concerns. Education Secretary Nicky Morgan has introduced regulations which include the chilling, Orwellian phrase “An excluded provider is defined as an independent school that: does not meet the spiritual, moral, social and cultural development of pupils set out in the Independent Schools Standards; does not actively promote fundamental British values; or promotes, as evidence-based, views and theories which are contrary to established scientific or historical evidence and explanations.” While I can take some pleasure at the reintroduction of the concept of “spiritual development” in English education, British parents need to be very concerned at this attempt to regulate what is taught in independent schools. It is important to note the disturbing attempt to equate creation with extremism in these comments. Also, the concept of so-called “British Values” has been defined elsewhere in government circles as “gender-neutral and non-homophobic”. It must be clear where such language will take us.

Christian Concern have taken up this cause as a campaign. They are asking Christian parents to make their own responses, before the consultation period ends at 5pm (British time) on Friday October 17th 2014. I would just like to add my own ex-pat voice to this in support of Christian Concern's position

Twitter and Facebook

Social Media

Hi, Social Media fans! The 7 Wonders Museum has a presence in Social Media, and I have been rationalizing the addresses so that you can easily find them.  S0 – get ready to make a note of these social media addresses, which I have attempted to make as consistent as possible.

The First Two Days

Our bookstore
Our bookstore
Our bookstore

Officially, Geri and I do not start work until tomorrow. However, neither of us feel able to just sit by and do nothing, so we put in a full day's work yesterday and today! I have made a start on opening a few boxes, and have got my laptop up and running, though I still have to work out how to make it talk to the printer. We have taken phone calls, booked tours and taken two tentative bookings for speaking engagements. I have also ordered more copies of my books, as I sold out of them during my recent tour of the Mid West.

I hope that many of you reading this post will feel able to make the trip to the 7 Wonders Museum soon and meet us in action! As an incentive to at least visit this website again, I am offering a 33% discount on all downloadable items on my personal website, Just Six Days. Visit the downloads page here, purchase what you like, and apply code oct2014. The 33% discount will be in force until October 31st 2014.

Explaining the Flood without the Canopy Theory

[Originally published on the Creation Today website]

What I am about to suggest to you in this article may be argumentative to some while others will whole-heartily agree with my research.  Regardless of which position our personal opinions take, we must be careful to make a respectful difference between Scriptural truth and scientific models. The entire discussion of the canopy theory is merely a scientific model. Neither opinion on it should be elevated to the status of biblical inerrancy. Therefore, at the forefront of this discussion, let’s remember that God’s Word is unchangeable and never up for review; while scientific models will continually be thoughtfully examined and altered by inquisitive minds.1

As peer-reviews are written and studied opinions continue to differ on this scientific model, it is my contention that the biblical phrase “waters above” does not refer to a vapor canopy at the edge of the atmosphere and in this writing I discuss why I do not believe that a water canopy above the atmosphere is scientifically tenable.

The Canopy Theory in a Nutshell

The Canopy Theory is an honorable attempt to interpret Scripture correctly, and also to account for the waters of the Flood. The theory starts with Day Two of the creation week.

Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters, which were under the firmament from the waters, which were above the firmament; and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day. (Genesis 1:6-8)

This passage is clearly talking about the creation of a firmament and the division of waters into waters above and below the firmament. The basis of the Canopy Theory is that the firmament represents the Earth’s atmosphere and the waters above are in the form of a canopy, which surrounded the Earth before the Flood. It is thought that this canopy could have been the source, or at least a source, for the waters of the Flood. The Flood would have been initiated, therefore, by the collapse of this canopy. It is thought that the pre-Flood canopy would have caused conditions of environment and weather before the Flood to be very different from those of today. The actual nature of the canopy differs in competing interpretations, with some assuming it to be a canopy of water vapor, and others suggesting a crystalline canopy. It must be emphasized that many creationists, myself included, have held to and taught the Canopy Theory in the past. In quoting a number of great creationist writers, who supported the Canopy Theory, it must not be thought that I am intending to be disrespectful of their position. My rejection of their support for the Canopy Theory is merely an indication that our understanding moves on, and should not be taken to imply anything other than the immense respect that I have for such thinkers.

Primary among these has to be the late Dr. Henry Morris, the father of modern creationism. In his wonderful book, The Genesis Record, he writes:

The “waters above the firmament” thus probably constituted a vast blanket of water vapor above the troposphere and possibly above the stratosphere as well, in the high-temperature region now known as the ionosphere, and extending far into space.2

Dr. Morris went on to list some of the ways in which a vapor canopy might have made pre-Flood conditions different from today. These include:

  • Uniform world temperatures
  • Uniform warmth
  • Prevention of cosmic radiation, leading to longer pre-Flood lifespans
  • Uniform worldwide moisture, with no deserts or ice caps

In 1976, Morris was satisfied that such a vapor canopy would provide the water required for the Flood.

A worldwide rain lasting forty days would be quite impossible under present atmospheric conditions; so this phenomenon required an utterly different source of atmospheric waters than now obtains. This we have already seen to be the “waters above the firmament”, the vast thermal blanket of invisible water vapor that maintained the greenhouse effect in the antediluvian world. These waters somehow were to condense and fall on the earth.3

The Vapor Canopy Model was the most common canopy model among creationists, and was the one that I taught in my own presentations for many years. Some creationists, however, have suggested a canopy of ice. Carl Baugh, for example, suggests a “crystalline canopy.”4 In this theory, the ice would be made either of ice crystals, or of a solid, metallic hydrogen lattice, suspended above the atmosphere by magnetic levitation. This specific crystalline canopy has particular problems. Magnetic levitation would not work on molecules like water or hydrogen, where paramagnetic properties dominate over diamagnetic properties. Also, a solid lattice of ice would make it difficult or impossible to see stars. Finally, hydrogen can only exhibit metallic properties under extreme conditions of high pressure and temperatures near absolute zero.

Problems with the Canopy Theory

A number of significant scientific problems have come to light, which cast doubt on the canopy theory.

Canopy theorists have used the canopy concept to explain a number of pre-Flood effects. For example, they have suggested that the canopy would have increased atmospheric pressure at the Earth’s surface. They claim that this would affect pre-Flood life. Genesis 6 refers to “giants,” and it is suggested that humans would not have been able to grow to giant height without increased pressure. However, giant height of seven or eight feet is completely feasible with normal atmospheric pressure. Canopy theorists have also claimed that the giant insects seen in the fossil record would not have been able to breathe without increased oxygen partial pressure. Again, this can be shown not to be the case. Indeed, increased oxygen partial pressure can actually be shown to have a deleterious effect on longevity of humans.

On the subject of longevity, it has been suggested that the longevity of humans before the Flood was due to greater atmospheric pressure. However, a better explanation of this longevity is the comparative absence of mutations among the human gene pool. The level of mutations would have greatly increased after the Flood, so this could explain the rapid decrease in longevity.

Scientist Dr. Larry Vardiman has taken a close interest in the canopy theory, having calculated many different models for how it could have worked. To the best of my knowledge, he still holds to a version of the canopy theory. Nevertheless, his research has pointed out a number of problems with the theory.

It must be remembered that water vapor is probably the most significant of the so-called “greenhouse gases.” So any vapor canopy would trap more heat from the sun, leading to increased temperatures at the Earth’s surface. Vardiman’s computer models showed that “any canopy containing more than about 20 inches (51 cm) of water produced such a strong greenhouse effect that surface temperatures became unsuitable for life.”5 Vardiman proposed that cirrus clouds near the top of the canopy could have helped against this effect, but other researchers, such as Snelling, have suggested that these would mitigate insufficiently the problems caused by the canopy.

Clearly, 20 inches of water is insufficient to explain the water of the Flood. However, even if further factors are introduced to allow the canopy to increase in size, it is still only possible to produce a canopy that would deposit one meter of water on the Earth. Some creationists have suggested that the canopy would not therefore be the only source of water. This indeed makes sense. A better model for how the Flood began is the Catastrophic Plate Tectonics model, which shows that the major source of water would probably have been the mantle. But, if no canopy can be proposed that would represent a significant percentage of the water required for the Flood, one wonders why one needs a canopy theory at all, especially as we now move on to some Scriptural objections to the canopy theory. These arguments are significant. If a few scientific results looked problematic, but we could show that Scripture clearly taught a canopy, then we would know that the scientific results were currently incomplete, and we would trust Scripture. However, I will now show that the canopy is not required by Scripture, and is even probably incorrect, according to Scripture.

Dr. Russell Humphreys has suggested a cosmology, based on the stretching of space.6 In this cosmology, Humphreys has suggested that the firmament, which divides the waters above from the waters below, in Genesis 1:6-8, represents the stretching of the universe. The Hebrew word translated firmament is râqîya (רקיע). This word has a similar root to the concept of “stretching” metal, by hammering it. Some versions translate the word as expanse. Humphreys, therefore, uses this concept to explain the various red shift measurements observed in space. However, a side effect of his theory is that the “waters above” would therefore be beyond the stars, rather than at the edge of the atmosphere. This makes sense for a number of reasons.

First, we read in Genesis 1 that the Sun, Moon and stars were made in the firmament (Genesis 1:15). If there were a canopy at the edge of the atmosphere, this would mean that the stars were above the canopy, which is not what Scripture says.

Second, some have pointed to birds flying in the canopy, as pointing to the canopy being at the edge of the atmosphere. However, if the canopy were at the edge of the universe, this would not contradict this verse (Genesis 1:20). Moreover, the Hebrew version actually talks about the “face of the firmament.” Some versions, such as the NKJV, refer to this: “… let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.” So the birds are not actually in the firmament, but flying across the face of it.

Third, Psalm 148:4 shows that the “waters above” are still actually in place, because this psalm was written after the Flood. That would also suggest that the “waters above” had nothing to do with the Flood, and lends support to Humphreys’ idea that the “waters above” are beyond the last galaxies, not at the edge of the atmosphere.

Conclusion

It has been hard for many modern creationists to let go of the vapor canopy theory. Dr. Carl Wieland expressed this emotional difficulty, in answering a critic on the Creation Ministries International website. While showing why the canopy theory does not make sense, Dr. Wieland admitted, “Having lectured using the ‘canopy’ idea many years ago, I can certainly understand its appeal. Emotionally, it was hard to ‘let go.’”7 I had similar emotions. Nevertheless, we must face the fact that the canopy theory was not Scripture, but rather a scientific model to aid our understanding. Scriptural analysis and modern scientific understandings both show that the canopy model is not necessary. It seems today that the effects, for which the canopy theory was developed to explain, are actually better explained by other means.

  1. Taylor, P. (2011), Scriptural Truth and Scientific Models, < http://www.creationtoday.org/scriptural-truth-and-scientific-models/ >
  2. Morris, H. (1976), The Genesis Record, (Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker Book House), p.59
  3. Ibid., p.191
  4. Baugh, C.E. (undated document), Crystalline Canopy Theory, < http://184.154.224.5/~creatio1/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=74&Itemid=29 >, accessed 01/06/2012
  5. Snelling, A.A. (2009), Earth’s Catastrophic Past (Dallas, TX: ICR), p.667
  6. Vardiman, L. and D. R. Humphreys. 2010. A New Creationist Cosmology: In No Time at All Part 1. Acts & Facts. 39 (11): 12-15
  7. < http://creation.com/cannot-blame-cmi >, accessed 1/6/2012